obama has a reputation. lou: i hear you all saying, the six together three of using to be agreeing this is a first impression. sipping a coke at the fountain stand in the local drugstore. and there will be no opportunity for substance, no opportunity for conflict in the debate, substance of any kind. i say to you, there ain't going to be a show. >> there will be lots of substance. the sliver of voters are undecided, one thing we know about them is that they pay no attention to current events. they do have an influence for first impressions. image is very important. if they're is a singer and romney or obama really lt fly and catch the otheguy in something that is embarrassing or untoward then i think there will pay attention. lou: an opportunity to display with, to show humor and have -- and despite much terrific in the standing of the issues and involve all that in your basic principles. a man who was to be president. >> i think that's right. that was one of the things we did heading to the first republican